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*Covers Eyes* I haven't read any of your posts because I don't want to read any spoilers, but this looks like such a great movie, can't wait to see it!
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![]() Would like him to explain why he debuncs the incest story. Are your friends still hooked Margaret? ![]() Clint Eastwood's new film depicts the drama of truth J. Michael Straczynski, screenwriter of "Changeling," spent a year trawling through newspapers and records, piecing together an elaborate tapestry. Il One of the most notorious crimes of Jazz Age Los Angeles began quietly enough with a lost boy. But the Walter Collins case would end up becoming the O.J. Simpson drama of its day, a horrifying crime that inspired a media frenzy and captivated Southern California. What started as the real-life tale of a missing child would take on a much larger significance in the then-burgeoning city. Although the details might have faded, its commentary on corruption and abuse of authority, on female empowerment and on the ultimate price of justice, continues to echo throughout the canyons of L.A.'s collective memory. In the middle of it all was Christine Collins, Walter's mother, a victim turned unlikely heroine. On March 10, 1928, Collins gave 9-year-old Walter a dime to see a movie. Collins, who lived in a middle-class neighborhood north of downtown L.A., was an anomaly for an era when women were considered to suffer from the vapors. A handsome woman with prominent features, she was a single mom whose ex-husband sat in jail for helping to run a speak-easy. She was also a professional woman who worked at the telephone company and apparently prided herself on maintaining a non-emotional, businesslike manner when dealing with men in authority. Walter disappeared that day, a fact that was chronicled in the Los Angeles Times several days later. Within weeks, the police (with the media watching) were conducting a massive manhunt and dragging a local lake for Walter's body. Tips poured in, with people claiming to have seen the boy in a nearby gas station, sitting in a back seat of a car, wrapped in newspaper -- and even as far away as San Francisco. The boy's father, Walter J.S. Collins, floated the theory that some of his former inmates kidnapped his son, perhaps out of revenge. In August, the L.A. Police Department delivered a boy to Christine Collins, her putative son who had been found in Illinois. It was an apparent coup for the LAPD, which routinely had suffered bad press and whose chief, James Davis, was famous (now infamous) for having created only two years before a 50-man "gun squad" to go after the city's criminal element with the express command to bring in the purported crooks "dead, not alive." Upon seeing the proffered child, Collins, according to an account from that time, stated, "I do not think that is my son." But, pressured by the LAPD, she took the boy home. Three weeks later, she returned the child to the LAPD, armed with dental records of her actual son and statements from people who knew Walter. Collins unwittingly initiated what would become a veritable media storm, which ended with a court fight that lasted a decade, and a new state law, but never definitively resolved -- at least for Collins -- what happened to Walter. Now her story is being told in the new Clint Eastwood film, "Changeling," which opened Friday in select cities. (It follows the true story, so if you're worried about plot spoilers, think twice before reading further.) The title comes from European folklore; a "changeling" was the offspring of a fairy or troll secretly swapped for a human child. The film stars Angelina Jolie as Collins and John Malkovich as the Rev. Gustav Briegleb, a pastor with a radio pulpit who took up Collins's cause. The Collins story was unearthed from city and court archives by journalist turned screenwriter J. Michael Straczynski, who had been tipped off by a former source to transcripts from a City Council hearing about the Collins case. Straczynski wrote for the Times and the now-defunct Herald Examiner. He became fascinated by her story and spent a year trawling through newspapers and records, piecing together an elaborate tapestry. "I was so caught up by the raw, naked courage she showed, that she fought so hard for her son, and nobody remembered this. It was outrageous," Straczynski says. So many of Collins's travails, he says, stem from the fact that she was a woman who didn't conform to what men -- in this case the LAPD -- expected her to be like. Collins was treated brutally by the police. When she tried to give back the child, the captain in charge of the case, J.J. Jones, ridiculed her. According to court testimony, he told her, "What are you trying to do, make fools out of us all? Or are you trying to shirk your duty as a mother and have the state provide for your son? You are the most cruel-hearted woman I've ever known." Collins testified that Jones told her, "You're insane and ought to be in a madhouse. You're under arrest and I'm going to send you to the psychopathic ward." Jones threw Collins in the psych ward of the Los Angeles County General Hospital -- that is, the insane asylum -- where she remained for about a week. "At the time, it was very easy for the police to throw anyone they didn't like into the asylum for causing problems," Straczynski says. "They did it more with women than men. The reality is if Christine had been a single dad, this would have never happened." much more here Contains spoilers, oh and Eastwood was wrong about the evidence part. |
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hep this is why i ask if there was a book before the film.its like the film papillon with dustin hoffman and steve mc queen.the film is good but the book is 10 times better.the film is only a fraction of the whole story,there really is no comparison.
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Stay tuned Margaret & all the viewers out there.![]() The real impostor boy ![]() Walter Collins (left) and impostor Arthur Hutchins Quote:
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Film spurs lesson in family history
Fiery ‘Changeling’ preacher was Westfir man’s grandfather iven all the pre*release hype about director Clint Eastwood’s new film, which opens in area theaters today, it’s pretty hard not to know that “Changeling” is based on a grisly real-life murder case that took place in Los Angeles in the late 1920s. And yes, it’s no secret that Angelina Jolie plays Christine Collins, the mom whose 9-year-old son, Walter, disappeared from the neighborhood on March 10, 1928, never to be seen again. Likewise, it’s been made known that John Malkovich plays the part of the Rev. Gustav Briegleb, a fiery Presbyterian minister and pioneer radio evangelist who had been fighting corruption in the Los Angeles Police Department for years and took up Collins’ cause when the LAPD botched the investigation of Walter’s disappearance. But you will be among the first to know that the character played by Malkovich has a close-to-home connection: Kenneth Briegleb, the grandson of the prominent — and persistent — preacher, lives in Westfir and, thanks to the movie, has learned more about his forebear than he ever knew before. “I never knew my grand*father — he died the year after I was born,” Briegleb said. “But my brother, Ross, who is four years older, remembers meeting him once, and he said he was ‘grumpy.’ ” But when Briegleb heard about the movie and the portrayal of his grandfather in it, he remembered a notebook full of old newspaper clippings that his mother had compiled decades ago, making a copy for both him and his brother, who still lives in Southern California. “I had never really looked at it, but I knew it was in a box someplace, so I dug it out,” Briegleb said. Oddly enough, the notebook contains nothing about the story that intrigued Eastwood enough to turn it into a full-length film, but its contents, combined with other information Briegleb has been able to unearth via the Internet, reveals enough about the pastor, who died in his early 60s in 1943, to justify a movie of its own. It turned out, for example, that the Collins tragedy wasn’t the only murder case the minister had weighed in on. In 1921, according to a “history paper” written by Shawn Nelsen and posted on the Internet, the beautiful Madalynne Obenchain had divorced her husband to marry a well-known insurance broker, J. Belton Kennedy, who then didn’t get around to marrying her. Obenchain allegedly enlisted the help of an old college friend, Arthur Burch, who shot Kennedy dead. When her former husband, attorney Ralph Obenchain, got wind of events, he left Chicago to return to Los Angeles, where he became a member of her defense team. Commentators left and right portrayed the cuckolded Obenchain as weak and foolish to rush back to his ex-wife’s aid, according to Nelsen’s research, but the Rev. Briegleb came to his defense in the pulpit. Through the entire mess, “perhaps the character of the former husband stands forth as worthy of the greatest admiration,” he said, though he did allow that it was “a pity that Obenchain did not feel the necessity of laying a heavy hand on the despoiler of his home.” While his sermon blamed Madalynne Obenchain for all of the domestic disasters, he noted that women at the time frequently found themselves in the position of forgiving their husbands’ indiscretions, “while the male of the species is more deadly than the female when it comes to the question of forgiveness for moral turpitude.” He also preached against a Texas preacher — known as Two-Gun Frank Norris — who killed a man, telling his congregation that “No preacher nor any layman can afford to lose sight of the injunction, ‘Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you and pray for them that despitefully use you.’ ” Briegleb obviously enjoyed the admiration of his parishioners. After 10 years at the city’s Westlake Church, the congregation at first refused to accept his resignation when he “was called” by St. Paul’s Presbyterian Church to become their pastor. Likewise, when the Bethany Presbyterian Church offered him its pastorate nine years later, the St. Paul’s congregation took the same action before letting him go. According to a clipping from the Los Angeles Times on June 16, 1930, Briegleb’s 25th year in the ministry occasioned a celebration that included the mayor of Los Angeles, movie mogul Louis B. Mayer and many other city dignitaries. During the celebration, Mayer reportedly “arose and quietly announced that he and a group of friends had purchased an automobile to be presented to Doctor Briegleb in honor of his anniversary.” Shortly after the death of his close friend, comedian and commentator Will Rogers, Briegleb wrote a prophetic, 24-page tract in 1935 entitled, “A Timely Contrast: Will Rogers, Ambassador of Good Will; Adolph Hitler, Promoter of Hate.” Two years later, with his 9-month-old St. Bernard pup, Rex, in tow, Briegleb and his wife led a successful fight to quash a proposed ordinance that would have established a “10 p.m. curfew on dog barks, cat meows, rooster crows and other animal noises” in the city limits of Los Angeles. Given his interest in community justice, the Rev. Briegleb’s interest in the Collins case probably took no one by surprise. Perhaps desperate for a happy ending to counteract all the rest of their scandals, the LAPD picked up a young lad in Illinois — who admittedly looked like Walter and who claimed he had been kidnapped and somehow transported there — and returned him to Collins for a joyful reunion. It didn’t take the young mother long to figure out the “changeling” wasn’t her Walter, but the police weren’t happy with that plot twist. Instead of taking her word for it, they said the kidnappers had brainwashed him, and when she continued to deny maternity, they had the woman committed to a psychiatric ward, where she remained for several days. Outraged by her treatment at the hands of city officials, Briegleb did his best, in and out of the pulpit, to make sure Walter’s unsolved disappearance would not be forgotten and that the inhumane treatment suffered by the boy’s mother and others consigned to mental wards would be exposed. Kenneth Briegleb, who intends to see “Changeling” as soon as he can, has one quibble with the advances he’s seen of the movie: “As far as I know, my grandfather never wore a mustache.” Still, “I’m honored to have John Malkovich play my grandfather,” Briegleb said. http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms...8-35/story.csp The only image I could find- LA public library. ![]() Rev.Gustav Briegleb to the right - and NO mustache. ![]() John Malkovich & mustache. ![]() Eastwood directing.
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What a good Job Rev Gustav Briegleb did take up Christine Collins cause because otherwise she would have been left in the asylum like a lot of other woman where and forgoten What a good person to stand up to the lapd like he did his Grandson must be very proud of him
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But it does seem that Briegleb was a thorn in the side of the LAPD. Cyrus Northcott is a bit of an enigma, he got off scott free. Apparently he was scared stiff of his son who had confessed the murders to him. It was probably Cyrus and Sanford who built the Chicken ranch (the house is still standing) for his son Stewart. Jeffrey Paul (the author I refer to further up the thread) did not believe Stewart´s claims that he was molested by him or believe Louis Northcott (his wife) story that Cyrus had a incestuous relationship with his daughter Winifred who was supposedly the real mother of Stewart. But the author never substantiates why he doesn´t believe this would be true. Stewart was a compulsive liar and would change his story many times. Cyrus reunited with his wife Louisa after she was paroled and moved from California to Maryland and died there in the 1940´s. Quote:
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Sara Louise Northcott 1868 - late 1940´s. (mother or Grand Mother of Gordon Stewart Northcott depending who you want to believe).
She wasn´t featured in the movie, but she played a key role in the story. She suggested that the boys be killed as they knew too much. And she insisted it by axe as a riffle would create to much noise and would alert the neighbors. She testified to killing Walter Collins, she wielded the last blow which killed him. Sara Louise lost many of her children including a six year old and was so grief stricken that I think she went mad. By the time Stewart Gordon was born in 1908 she let pretty much run the household and subsequently created a monster. ![]() ![]() Quote:
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